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Robert Driskill's avatar

Another needed post! I'll note some older writings that make similar points--which emphasizes that economists need to again and again re-emphasize the usefulness of our approach. Michael Salemi wrote--in 1998!-- about how economists should and could do a better job of educating students ("How economists can improve economic education," The Region, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, vol. 12(Dec), pages 34-37). His opening paragraphs were about how a journalist wrote only about the unfairness of "price gouging" in the Triangle area of NC during a Special Olympics. The journalist wrote: "Don't bother telling me that raising prices is business as usual for the hotel trade. Of course it is, but that doesn't make it go down easier. It was that mind set—supply and demand—that jacked up the prices for everything from ice to chain saws to generators after Hurricane Fran came through. Remember how it felt to be gouged. .."

Salemi emphasized that those higher prices increased the supply of places for visitors to stay--home rentals, shuttle bus/hotel packages from farther away, etc. He concluded: " Economists, for the most part, believe that the price system allocates hotel rooms and other scarce resources far more efficiently and often more fairly than government bureaus or appeals to good citizenship. They place great stock in the fact that allocation by price leaves each individual free to "pay and stay" or "stay away." I would add: higher prices for chain saws and ice brought forth a veritable caravan of supplies from neighboring areas not hit by the alluded-to hurricane (such as from my home town of Lynchburg VA).

I would say that "basic economics" for our type of economy rests mostly on two pillars: An assumption that individuals rationally pursue their own self-interest, and an assumption that in pursuit of their self-interest, people will, in Adam Smith's words, "truck, barter and exchange one thing for another.."

The second assumption embodies an observation that people actually trade one thing for another. It must be, then, that people's desires can be satisfied with varying quantities of different goods, and that varying quantities of goods can be produced, i.e, that there exist substitution possibilities within the economy.

Related to your point about gas in Europe, a great book documenting substitution possibilities is: Olson, Mancur Jr. 1963, “The Economics of the Wartime Shortage,” Durham, NC: Duke University Press. Olson documents the ability in the World Wars, during which both Great Britain and Germany faced serious disruptions to normal supplies of good and services, of the economies of Great Britain and Germany to produce everything from oil to gun barrels without any

of once-thought "essential inputs."

Another great article is "Economists and Public Policy: (R Coase 1975, in Daniel B. Klein,

(ed.),What Do Economists Contribute?, London, UK: McMillan. ). Coase points out numerous examples of public policy consequences easily foreseen by economists, based only on their appreciation of self-interested behavior and substitution possibilities, but unforeseen by the policy makers themselves.

I wrote about this at greater length (20 years ago! never published) in what I called "The Economist's Perspective," https://my.vanderbilt.edu/robertdriskill/international-economics-various-and-sundry-entrees/. Lots more examples.

Keep up the good work!

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Doug Rogers's avatar

Is economics really a science, or is it no more scientific than tarot cards?

Let me take a nice, clean economic hypothesis I would like to test: do tax cuts for 'the rich' help or hurt the economy? Let's not test this hypothesis with a small sample set such as giving $1000 to a rich person in some tiny country and see if the economy improves. No, let's take the biggest and best documented economy in the history of mankind: the US economy. And let's not give a little tax break to a few rich people and see what happens, no, let's give tax cuts of over a trillion dollars - a fair sized fraction of the entire revenue of the largest economy on earth, and let's do it for a sustained period of ten years. In fact, let's do this test over and over, under different administrations (Reagan, Bush Jr., Trump), and then analyze the data.

Apparently the result of something as huge as multi-year, very expensive tax cuts for the rich is still subject to your political persuasion. I'm not even asking for a quantifiable number such as 'what percentage improvement in the GDP of the US resulted from the tax cuts?' I simply want a very basic yes/no answer: did it help, or did it hurt the economy? If I work for the Weekly Standard, or AEI, or the Wall Street Journal, I can find teams of economists who will tell me that tax cuts for the rich are the single greatest way to improve the economy. But if I'm Paul Krugman, or I work for the Progressive Caucus I can find teams of economists who will tell me the exact opposite.

That is not a science. That is no more scientific than tarot cards, where I can call in one 'psychic' who will tell me that a given layout of cards say my life is going to be great; while another 'psychic' will look at the very same cards and tell me I'm doomed.

The usual economists' statement that 'we don't have enough data to determine a definitive result' just doesn't wash in this case. If you take a multi-trillion dollar economy and give it a stimulus of trillion dollar tax cuts for ten years you'd better have enough data to definitively say, at the least, whether it helped or hurt the economy. If you can't answer that, then economics is NOT a science.

So what's the story? Is economics a science, or not? If it is, then why are the results of a test so dependent on the political philosophy of the person analyzing the data?

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